Well,life as I know it is now about to change.

[JYAP]

Tomorrow,I'm going out to school. Big deal,you ask? Well,I've been homeschooled up until now,so yes,it is a big deal. Of course,it's going to put a HUGE dent in my online attendance(8 AM-3 PM),so this kinda reduces me to a weekend player. :-(

P.S. Don't count on me appearing Monday and Wednesday.

[Almuric]

Good luck with the new schooling schedule man. 8)

[Halfwingseen]

Pfft about damn time
ive been in school for 2 weeks now and im pissed u havent been :P well publics schools are fun i reccomend you get urslef a girlfriend then get dumped then think about suicide THEN start complaining after alli had to to all that -.-

[Seith]

half the time
Girls = Trouble
sometimes its just better to do without close relationships with them
at least until you find a decent one.

Anyways Good Luke JYAP, I wish you well. May you receive many chocolate chip cookies and good grades.

[JYAP]

So you guys are going to post here and not do anything in my RPG?!? OUR FRIENDSHIP IS OVER!!!













Not really.
Anyways,I laugh at Halfwing,who has to deal with a crappy public school. I get a Christian school,which is easily 3 times better. At least I got to enjoy my last school-free day with my friends(online and offline). Stupid noobs...kekeke...

[Felonious Monk]

Here is mathmatical proof that girls are evil:

We all know that girls require time and money. Therefore:

Girls = time x money

It is a well known fact that time is money so therefore:

Girls = money x money

It has also been said that money is the root of all evil. Therefore:

Girls = -/evil x -/evil

So finally:

Girls = evil




Anyhoo, have fun at school. To be honest, I kinda miss high school. I didn't realize how easy I had it till I was out. In college they make you actually study and do real work, and once you graduate you have to either try to get into a grad/professional school or get a job, after which you have virtually no free time (at least for video games). Seriously, enjoy it while it lasts. I'd give my left nut to travel back in time to 8 years ago. You only really need one anyway.

As for the RPG, I've been having some serious comp issues recently that I only just resolved (I think so anyway). Once I finish my dental school application online I'll try to get a char made. Any suggestions on a class to balance out the party?

[JYAP]

Anything melee. Anything.

And I'm 13 years old. The girls aren't going to be incredibly evil at that point.

(zaps his RPG topic)

[Felonious Monk]

You'd be surprised. They teach them quite young.

Any chance for a monk class, just for kicks?

[JYAP]

No.
(slaps you)
Anyways,my first day wasn't too bad. I had to listen to the language teacher blab on and on and on and on and on and on about the same subject. Still was the longest 7 hours of my life.

[Felonious Monk]

I had to listen to the language teacher blab on and on and on and on and on and on about the same subject.

I thought that's what they got paid to do...

[Halfwingseen]

So you guys are going to post here and not do anything in my RPG?!? OUR FRIENDSHIP IS OVER!!!













Not really.
Anyways,I laugh at Halfwing,who has to deal with a crappy public school. I get a Christian school,which is easily 3 times better. At least I got to enjoy my last school-free day with my friends(online and offline). Stupid noobs...kekeke... Um yea @ the second part of that heheh christian schools=3X WORSE more drugs more violence less freedom more bookwork ^_^

[Seith]

Yeah, actually Luke goes to a Christian school, and the one he goes to doesn't sound to good. Teachers cuss out the students, and all the students do for fun is either getting drunk, or getting high. I just don't get it. Christians are supposed to be the good guys.

[JYAP]

Actually,it's GOOD here. So :razz: at you.

[Seith]

Then thats cool. I haven't seen one but that doesnt' mean it doesnt' exist now does it ^_~.

[Dweia]

Girls = time x money

It is a well known fact that time is money so therefore:

Girls = money x money

It has also been said that money is the root of all evil. Therefore:

Girls = -/evil x -/evil

So finally:

Girls = evil

Now what is with this line? Girls = -/evil x -/evil

If money is the root of all evil, or √evil = ±money

So therefore it should correctly be Girls = money^2
Girls = evil


Except evil is bad, or in other words, it is negative, so evil<0, and √(-x) = ±i(x).

Therefore let x = evil, Girls = i(x), therefore the evil in girls is only imaginary :)


*edit*typo 1. Left out a ±
typo 2. Added in the "in girls" in the last sentence*

[JYAP]

(head asplodes)
(shrapnel DOESN'T kill anyone here)
(in Eternal,Dredoc is lodged with every piece of shrapnel)

[Dweia]

Not really, it's primary school, maths, except the last two lines.

Ok, we let evil be a negative number, so √evil is the root of a negative number right?

Now, you can't have a real answer to rooting a negative value, as you probably already know. However, there is an answer, you just need to use negative numbers.

'i' is used to signify an imaginary number, where i^2 = -1. (the carat ('^') is used to show raised to the power, so x^2 is x squared)


So evil is an imaginary number...or more accurately, evil in girls is only imaginary :razz:


For more information about imaginary numbers, just google (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=imaginary+numbers) it, there's Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_numbers), etc.

Anyway, slightly (more) off-topic. As I was writing that guess what I was listening to?

That's right, the Sesame Street theme song...in punk.

[Seith]

girls are still evil...
its too late to explain why mathmaticly
but in easy terms...
WAY TOO MANY MIND GAMES!!!!!!
and other stuff.

[JYAP]

It's getting worse for me now. I have to go to baseball at 4-6 PM on Monday and Wednesday,and 9-11 AM on Saturday for 12 weeks. Oh well...

[Felonious Monk]

Now what is with this line? Girls = -/evil x -/evil


I copied the line from someplace else into Wordpad a few years ago. Symbols don't translate, so I just used "-/" in place of "√" and didn't bother reverting.



If money is the root of all evil, or √evil = ±money

So therefore it should correctly be Girls = money^2
Girls = evil

That's the same thing only worded differently and a bit longer. In order for that series of equations to make sense, you have to include "evil = money^2" so that the corelation can be established. Remember to show your work. ;)



Except evil is bad, or in other words, it is negative, so evil<0, and √(-x) = ±i(x).

Therefore let x = evil, Girls = i(x), therefore the evil in girls is only imaginary :)

If evil is negative, then money, the root of all evil, must be imaginary. Remember, i is the square root of -1, so in this case evil would have to be |evil|(-1) and money would have to be (√evil)(i) and therefore imaginary. It clearly isn't, therefore evil can't be negative.

[JYAP]

(kills you all)
Next subject. Now.

[Dweia]

Ok, next subject.

Books contain knowledge.
Knowledge = power
power = energy
energy is equivalent to mass (e=mc^2)
mass distorts space/time
Therefore bookshops create rips in the fabric of space/time.



Discuss. What is the problem with my reasoning, where did I get it from, etc, etc.


*Said very quickly so Jyap doesn't notice* And if we're all the daydreams of a paranormal being then everything, including money is imaginary. So therefore I'm right, and you're a supra-dimensional slug's dream

[Felonious Monk]

Error #1: Books don't contain knowledge (http://www.answers.com/knowledge&r=67) they contain information. By learning the information in books we gain knowledge.

Error #2: Power != energy, at least not in the same sense as implied by the assertion that knowledge = power.

Error #3: Energy is equivalent to mass in that energy = (mass)(speed of light)^2, however this does not mean that energy is the same thing as mass. It would be like saying that a container filled with H2 and O2 in the appropriate 2:1 ratio is actually filled with water.

Error #4: While mass does indeed distort space/time, the amount of "power" contained in the multitude of books in any given bookshop (assuming errors 1 and 2 were ignored) is beyond quantifying in terms of energy or mass. Other than that, the amount of raw energy needed to create enough mass to distort space/time (or spacetime, if you are so inclined) in any significant fashion would certainly be enough to annihilate everything within several million miles of ground zero or at least kill anyone in an extremely large radius, depending on how the energy was manifested.

For each kg of mass you wish to produce you would need 89875517873681764 J of energy, which is no trivial amount. Given that a black hole with the same mass as our sun (for convenience) would have a mass of 10^30 kg, it would require 8.99x10^46 J of energy to produce the mass needed for a singularity capable of comparable distortion. This is the same energy produced by a 21480764310153385277246653919694 megaton explosion, or about 4.30x10^29 times more energy than the most powerful atomic bomb ever detonated. Even if such an event should occur and not vaporize half of the solar system, the event horizon would only be about 3 km or so, meaning the energy required to produce the mass would be more of a threat than the singularity itself, although the sheer number of bookstores across the globe would certainly make things worse.





But you assume we are the daydreams of a supradimensional slug. In reality we are the physical manifestation of the thoughts of an infinitely large being with zero mass and limitless power. Or so I'm told.

[Dweia]

Yes, admittedly the creation of a rip in the fabric of space/time would be perhaps somewhat inimical to the continued wellbeing of beings nearby, however that is not the issue.


And remembering that it creates a rip in space-time, all the bookstores working together have their works combined for the purposes of this exercise. This works retroactively in that it affects the creation of the rip through the rip in that it is a rip in space/time, and thus the normal laws of physics break down and you enter...the twilight zone.



Actually, I got a question like that in a physics test earlier today.

When a beam of light is shone through a glass prism, why does the light diffract into the different colours.

1. Something
2. Something else
3. Still something
4. Violet light is heavier so the force of gravity pulls it down more.
5. The light refracting through the prism causes a complete breakdown in Snell's law and it is instead governed by the unpredictable laws of quantam physics

*sings* I' on'y goes to show wot li'l people can do...*

You know what happens to your mr. infinite energy? It's called the big bang. Goodbye zero mass, hello energy getting spontaneously converted to mass, and hello an infinite % increase in weight

[Halfwingseen]

Dweia I have found your purpose in life.....
you made me realize how stupid i really am

[JYAP]

Man,you people are nuts.

[Felonious Monk]

In order for the energy to become matter it would have to, at the very least, be compressed to the point where it can actually start having mass. This point would have to be billions of times smaller than the smallest bookstore in order to be concentrated enough, even with each bookstore connected by a rift that hasn't (and can't) created itself yet. The "normal" laws don't break down until the rip itself is actually formed, which can't occur until the "normal" laws say so. The formation of the singularity has no effect on events prior to said formation, so there is no way that it can make itself in the past by existing in the here and now. Also, the twilight zone exists in TV land and is inaccessible by books.

Not that any of this matters though, since books don't have knowledge and power != energy. ;)


Re: quantum physics
The only difference between classical physics and quantum physics is that quantum physics is designed for the extremely small scales and high speeds involved with atoms and subatomic particles (that, and wave/particle duality). You can apply quantum physics to a ball rolling down a hill or an arrow flying throw the air and get essentially the same result. The only reason why Snell's law hits a snag with the prism is the amalgam of wavelengths present in white light.

EDIT for clarity: The index of refraction of a medium is the speed of light divided by the phase velocity of the light in the medium. Since the phase velocity is the angular frequency divided by the wavenumber, phase velocity changes as wavelength changes, making the colors spread out.

EDIT: mee kan spel gud



So God did create the universe. Let there be light!

[JYAP]

404:POST NOT FOUND

(404th post! Wee!)

[Dweia]

Hmm, we should make another topic, just to discuss random physics stuff like this.


I'm so upset though, I'll be on an exchange program to germany (probably) during the time I would be learning special relativity :-( .



Anyway, I admit defeat on the terms of bookstores imploding the universe, so on to the next topic, should we do uncertainty, entanglement or relativity?

Did you know that if particles A and B are entangled, as are C and D, by entangling B and C we also cause A and D to become entangled with each other?


The black hole causes the matter to compact into a singularity, duh

[JYAP]

Actually,that one was obvious to me. You need to be more clever.

[Seith]

Exchange program to Germany? Thats cool, we've got 3 german exchanged students this year + and italian one. Cool coincidence if you ask me.

[Felonious Monk]

Hmm, we should make another topic, just to discuss random physics stuff like this.


I'm so upset though, I'll be on an exchange program to germany (probably) during the time I would be learning special relativity :-( .



Anyway, I admit defeat on the terms of bookstores imploding the universe, so on to the next topic, should we do uncertainty, entanglement or relativity?

Did you know that if particles A and B are entangled, as are C and D, by entangling B and C we also cause A and D to become entangled with each other?


Ooooh, Germany. Sprechts du Deutsch?

I'm personally fond of relativity, but entanglement works too. It's actually a bit more interesting because it's newer and more mysterious. I find the prospects for the possible applications particularly intriguing. Imagine instantaneous transfer of information across galaxies (although the maximum operational distance between the particles is purely theroretical at this point, there is nothing to suggest that they couldn't be on opposite sides of the universe and work the same as if they were only a few angstroms away) or being able to record someone's thoughts onto recordable media. Wireless neural nets could be a few decades (more likely a century or more) away and by the time we perfect intergalactic space travel we will have a means to communicate that won't require 50 year gaps in between each message. Theoretically. Hell, just imagine an internet with streaming holographic 3-D porn with zero load time. ;)

[Dweia]

Well there wouldn't be 0 load time. You still have processing time as the information is decoded into video format, the server finds the file you want, etc. Instantaneous transfer time still works for me though :)


Main thing I think of is encryption, though that's really not the right word. The particles don't send anything between themselves, so there's nothing to intercept. That I think will be a lot more useful, or at least as we are now.

Needless to say of course, it makes wiretapping, etc by law enforcement agency's a much bigger problem, so probably they're going to have to do something like what they did for VoIP (Skype and all that) in which they make it law for the providers to install stuff so the FBI, etc can listen in.


The recording thought onto recordable media part, how does instant communication provide the missing ingredient for that? What's wrong with normal communications? The main problem would be translating the brain activity into human readable thoughts.


Und ja, Ich spreche ein kleines bisschen Deutsch, aber leider mein Deutsch ist night sehr gut.

[Felonious Monk]

I'm sure that by the time such technology is available we will have started using organic CPUs or somesuch that will be operating thousands of times faster than today's silicon varieties. The processing time will be virtually imperceptible to humans.

The inability to eavesdrop will certainly be a boon for those of us who 1)don't wish to spy on others and 2) don't want to be spied on. It will be nice not to have to rely on firewalls and the like.

It isn't just the instantaneous transmission, it's the ability to turn virtually anything into a sender and reciever of information. There wouldn't necessarily have to be any translating to record thoughts. You could entangle entire nerve pathways with regions of specific media, then if you want to recall a certain memory, sound, taste, or whatever, simply reverse the process. You could (theoretically) record an entire concert, play, movie, or sporting event as you remember it to access later when the details get a little fuzzy. Once neural pathways are formed they don't breakdown under normal cicumstances, although I imagine the quality could only be preserved for so long. It is concieveable that you could stimulate the media in such a way to reactiveate the pathways associated with a given memory in a controlled manner. Advanced stuff and not likely to show up in the near future, but it's not impossible.

Neural nets are entirely different and much simpler. By simply entangling the nerve pathways associated with a certain thought (any thought really; "duck" could mean "move forward") and virtually any kind of material monitored by sensors, you could think your thought and it would be translated into performing an action elsewhere. You would really only need to entangle probably a half dozen or so atoms along the nerve path to get it to work. Imagine battles with 0 casualties due to all of the soldiers being thousands of miles away piloting unhackable drones that respond to their (and only their) very thought. Or undersea expeditions undertaken from a sofa in North Dakota. Or interplanetary exploration without anyone ever leaving orbit. Or wheelchairs for quadriplegics that can be moved without having to blow through a tube. The possiblities are there, we just have to work out the details. Coming to a mech near you sometime before the turn of the century. ;)

[Dweia]

Nothing is unhackable...

Even if it does take dropping a nuke on the HQ with all the soldiers...


Didn't think of actually entangling the neurons in people's brains though, that has interesting possibilities.


Not the least of which is working the other way around, and changing people's thoughts...

[JYAP]

This topic sucks and is now about how I pwn at PvP,especially when slaying noobs.

[Felonious Monk]

I never said it was foolproof, but nuking the transmission source is hardly the same as hacking it.

Fortunately, using entanglement to change peoples brains would require being able to translate the information into neurons, and would be extremely difficult to do. Nevertheless, I doubt it's impossible and I'm sure Big Brother won't be able to resist the temptation. It would be more difficult and costly than traditional brainwashing and only marginally more effective in most cases, but it would be pretty hard to beat for controlling world leaders from the comfort of home. The fact that the programming occurs without the person even knowing it and with a minimal amount of contact with the controlling party makes it particularly subversive.

A slightly more alarming possibility is the forced entanglement of the entire brains of everyone in the world at or around birth. This would allow for whoever is in charge to monitor the thoughts of everyone all the time and even archive the experiences for future reference. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that that person could see everything you see and hear everything you hear without you ever knowing it. This would drastically cut down on crime and "treason" (however that may be defined in this distopic world), but every personal liberty we had as a people would be gone. I imagine it will possible to create an algorithm much like the kind used in anti-virus software that could constantly watch for any kind of subversive thought patterns and have any offender imprisoned or worse simply for thinking, saying, or hearing something that "they" don't like. Personally, I'd prefer global thermonuclear war.

*entangles JYAP's neurons and brainwashes him into talking about physics*

[Dweia]

It all depends on what you mean by hacking.

If you read basically any book on hacking (which are ostensibly on network security) they all pretty much define hacking as making something do something it was not meant to do.

It could be nwnx2, letting you get stuff out of nwscript where you can use some real programs on it, you could 'hack' a car to make it go faster, etc.

And I think you can all agree that bombing a building with a nuke is doing something to it it was never meant to take, which is kinda the same thing.


Would you consider getting someone drunk and finding out his network password hacking? How about the script kiddy that runs l0phtcrack on something to get the password. Is he hacking the computer?

And so on and so forth.


Meanwhile, back 'on' topic,
Fortunately, using entanglement to change peoples brains would require being able to translate the information into neurons, and would be extremely difficult to do.

There's already something that does that...it's called another brain. Hook them up to the recorded actions of someone else doing something and presto. basically the same thing as transferring memories say into the brain, except instead of influencing their memory, or senses, it influences their motor neurons.

Or maybe you could stick with just putting someone elses memories in. If you think that you're a soldier in the desert and under attack, that's what you'll act like, even if you're really in Kansas (which, I admit, is a desert :razz:), and if it's done properly, how would you be able to tell the difference, if all your senses were telling you that?


Of course, entangle their senses and give them conflicting input, instant car/sea sickness.

[Felonious Monk]

It all depends on what you mean by hacking.

If you read basically any book on hacking (which are ostensibly on network security) they all pretty much define hacking as making something do something it was not meant to do.

It could be nwnx2, letting you get stuff out of nwscript where you can use some real programs on it, you could 'hack' a car to make it go faster, etc.

And I think you can all agree that bombing a building with a nuke is doing something to it it was never meant to take, which is kinda the same thing.


Would you consider getting someone drunk and finding out his network password hacking? How about the script kiddy that runs l0phtcrack on something to get the password. Is he hacking the computer?

And so on and so forth.

Bah. You're basically saying that doing anything to anything constitutes hacking. Shaking up a can of beer and spraying someone with it is hacking the can, because you're making it do something it isn't meant to do, and hacking the person, because they aren't supposed to be covered in beer. Sticking a lit firecracker up a cat's ass is hacking the cat, because its ass isn't supposed to explode into itty bitty pieces. Or breaking someone's neck, because it isn't supposed to be broken. This (http://www.answers.com/hack&r=67) is what hack means. Or this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack). Or this (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hack) It sure as hell doesn't mean blowing something up, which is known as "blowing something up" to those of us in the know.




Meanwhile, back 'on' topic,
Fortunately, using entanglement to change peoples brains would require being able to translate the information into neurons, and would be extremely difficult to do.

There's already something that does that...it's called another brain. Hook them up to the recorded actions of someone else doing something and presto. basically the same thing as transferring memories say into the brain, except instead of influencing their memory, or senses, it influences their motor neurons.

Or maybe you could stick with just putting someone elses memories in. If you think that you're a soldier in the desert and under attack, that's what you'll act like, even if you're really in Kansas (which, I admit, is a desert :razz:), and if it's done properly, how would you be able to tell the difference, if all your senses were telling you that?


Of course, entangle their senses and give them conflicting input, instant car/sea sickness.

The problem with that is that the neural pathways that may correspond to an action or memory in one person would not be the same the the neural pathway that elicits the same action or memory in another. If someone were to record their memory, without proper translation it would only work for them. If someone were to attempt to entangle their brain with someone else's recording, they would automatically become entangled with that portion of the other person's brain, invariably leading to insanity and/or death for both people, due to the massive brain dysfunction caused by two people essentially using the same brain for different things at the same time.

For example, if the person who made the recording were to attempt to recall the memory (on their own or via the recording), the other person linked to the recording would begin having random brain activity resulting in brief flashes of random memories and probably see/hear/taste/feel/smell things that aren't there or have muscle convulsions. On the other hand, any number of actions taken by the person who entangled with the pre-recorded memory could cause flashes of the recorded memory to occur at any time and without warning in the other person. Not exactly brainwashing, but a very effective method of getting rid of unwanted people (political opponents, arch-nemeses, that old lady with all the cats, etc) without leaving a trail.

[JYAP]

(runs you two over with a tank)
This got horribly off-topic.

Next subject:Marvel VS DC characters.

[Felonious Monk]

Marvel. The X-men would make a mess out of the Justice League. I mean, c'mon, they have Wolverine.

[JYAP]

But Wolverine drops dead to any piercing attack to his head. Enter Green Arrow.

Besides,Superman is invulnerable. Adamantium skeleton and healing factor or no,you can't beat plain invulnerability.

[Felonious Monk]

*bzzt* Wrong on both counts. Nothing can penetrate Wolverine's adamantium skull, so the Green Arrow gets torn a new one just for trying. Didn't you see X-men 2?

Superman isn't invulnerable, just really tough. A kryptonite enema would kill him quick, but Wolvie could kick his ass the old fashioned way without much trouble. Superman already died once by a serious beat down, and nothing is gonna stop Wolverine's adamantium claws from carving Superman's almost impenetrable hide like a Thanksgiving turkey. A one-two punch to the eyes and Supes goes down for the count. And don't even get me started on Batman or, heaven forbid, Aquaman. DC ain't nuthin' but a bunch of nancy boys beggin' for swift kick in the crotch. Superman and Green Lantern are the only ones worth a warm pile of crap and they aren't anything compared to Marvel's elite. The only reason why they manage to survive is the villians are even bigger wusses than they are.

[JYAP]

I saw it. He ALMOST died from a bullet in the head. Therefore,you hit him harder than that in the head and he dies.

Superman flies. By default,he wins because he can rain fiery death upon most of the landlocked X-Men. Same applies to Green Lantern. And the X-Men have a extreme shortage of kryptonite.

Batman has gadgets and...yeah,you're right,he sucks. Same with Aquaman.

[Felonious Monk]

He was temporarily knocked unconscious by the kinetic energy of the bullet. An arrow would have no effect at all. I doubt the Green Arrow could even hit him.

I can think of 4 X-men off-hand that can fly (Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey/Pheonix/Dark Pheonix/Marvel Girl, Archangel/Angel) and 5 that have projectiles (Cyclops, Gambit, Bishop, Forge, Havok) and any one of them could kick the snot out of the blue and green by themselves (well, maybe not Archangel/Angel; he's about as useful as Hawkman/Hawkgirl). Hell, those are just the good guys. Apocalypse would swat them both out of the sky like flies. Professor X could kill everyone on the planet with a thought, and he's in a wheelchair. I doubt if every DC character ever created combined into one large group attacking Chuck at the same time could ever succeed. He alone wins it for Marvel.

[JYAP]

Green Lantern chucks him somewhere away from the field with his energy ring. No more Wolverine. Anyways,Wonder Woman has those ever-annoying bracers that can deflect lasers,so all projectiles are out. Plus you underestimate Green Lantern. Potentially,with a fully charged ring,he could lay waste to many of the X-Men before taken out. By then,the rest could easily clean up.

Besides,they have Batman. Batman has Pinpoint:Weakness. Knowing this,the Justice League automatically gets major bonuses to AB,AC,and Damage. The X-Men don't have anyone that could study entire groups easily.

And Forge and Havok aren't technically in X-Men. They're in a different group.

[Halfwingseen]

You guys forget entirely Dr Strange and the fantasic four

[JYAP]

Who gives a **** about them? Dr. Strange is probably gonna get run over by the Batmobile,while G.L. can lay waste to nearly anything.

[Felonious Monk]

Green Lantern tries to use his ring and Bishop turns on the pwnage. Wonder Woman tries to deflect a kinetically charged bus and winds up in tiny pieces across the city.

Psi-Lord banishes all DC characters to a pocket dimension, then colapses it in upon itself. X-man causes their brains to explode. Onslaught turns them all inside out through raw psychic energy. Marvel has a veritable stockpile of WMDs, DC has a tycoon in tights with his "boy wonder" and an Amazon with a lasso. No contest.

This isn't limited to X-Men. The topic is Marvel vs. DC, not X-Men vs DC. This includes (but is not limited to) Avengers, BEM, SHIELD, Excalibur, the Fantastic Four, and individuals such as Spiderman, the Hulk, and Galactus (you know, the guy who eats planets). Go ahead, unleash your Lex Luthors, Solomon Grundys, and Black Mantas.

[Halfwingseen]

Dr strange would slaughter wonder woman infinite magical powers do that you know because the master of magic and all.. :) + being able to rea dtheir thoughts and communicate teellepathically + havign an all poweful guidance guy meaning marvel could respond to when DC will do before it happens galactus would slaughter the majority of DC by his lonesome

[JYAP]

But they have Batman. Weakness pinpointed,thank you,and good night.

[Felonious Monk]

Which all goes out the window when your opponent doesn't have any weaknesses. Batman stands no chance against a being older than the universe or an Asgardian god or a being that can shape reality with his mind. Shoot, Batman doesn't stand a chance against a chrome plated boogie boarder.

[JYAP]

I give up. DC is a piece of crap.

Next topic:Any video game char vs another.

I suggest Kirby.

[Felonious Monk]

Samus Aran is TEH HAWTNESS. Kirby tries to suck her up and gets a Power Bomb in his gut.

Side note: I'm going away (again) until Mondayish. To be continued...

[JYAP]

NOT. Kirby would swallow the bomb and become Crash Kirby. He would activate the power and blow away Samus. End of battle.

[JYAP]

Oh,before you say Samus could fire a missile,he'd swallow that,become Missile Kirby,and fire upon Samus.

[Felonious Monk]

Sorry, power bomb != skull bomb. And which version of Crash Kirby? KA, KSS, NiD, anime?

Eat plasma beam you overgrown marshmallow. :insta:

[JYAP]

Does it matter? They all blow up the screen.

Kirby swallows plasma beam and becomes Fire Kirby. Or he swallows a Rocky and becomes Stone Kirby prior to the battle and avoids about 99% of Samus' arsenal.

[WNxGoRule]

Yoshi! jumps on kirby stuns him swallows him and turns him into a marshmellow yoshi egg turd Fini!

[Felonious Monk]

It matters because the method of blowing up everything on the screen is different. That, and the gaymo hat he has in the anime version.

And the plasma beam (Fusion) passes right through Kirby, killing him in the process. It also passes right through Stone Kirby, burning large holes in him. When he changes back he begins leaking bodily fluids and parts of whatever vital organs a retarded marshmallow has start falling out.

If Kirby is so great then why does he always get his ass kicked in SSBM? Everyone knows that the best fighters there (barring unlockables, and some of those suck too) are Samus and Link. Everyone else is limited by speed, attack power, size, and/or range.

[JYAP]

Kirby got nerfed in SSBM. A lot. Also,Shiek=Top Tier,which means Shiek>All if both players are at equal skill. Same with Marth.

And I like Yoshi,but he's not as good as Kirby.

Oh,and Kirby's somewhat nimble. He could evade a few blasts,then get a power somehow and nail Samus,or swallow and spit her out into a pool of magma.

[Halfwingseen]

at the SSBM comment um i kick samus and links arses ^_^ with anyone yes when other poeple use samus and link too they easy as crap to kill just get kirby and stone knock them off the edge or stone skirbyu as soon as they fire at you u avoid the damage ocmpletely look samus and link suck in general they just easiest to use

[Felonious Monk]

Puhlease. No one can beat my Link (or Samus if I change it up) especially not Kirby. He hits like a girl and gets knocked around like a balloon. Pair that with his low attack priority/range and you have a sissy-slapping pink ball that can't hold a candle to most of the other characters. The rock is pretty easy to avoid/block and he can be grabbed out of it nearly every time by a good player, especially if it's used to block dash range projectiles.

I'll give credit to Marth (especially if you can get his moves down), but I specifically said barring unlockables. A good Marth player can definately bring the hurt. But Zelda? Seriously? I mean, Sheik can hit fast and all, but she doesnt do crap for damage. If she works for you, all the better, but I never found her all that useful.

Anyone ever bother to learn the weaker characters, like Jigglypuff or Peach?

[JYAP]

(smites Felonious)
www.gamefaqs.com,and go to the SSBM board. Avoid the insanity and you will be enlightened.

Anyhoo,just using B moves is pathetic.

[Felonious Monk]

*sidesteps smite*

Enlightened to what? Tiers? Terminology?

Tiers are flawed in that they ignore the variables of the game outside of the characters themselves. Items, level, game type, and player skill/style of play are ignored. Obviously it isn't fair to compare a novice player using one char to a pro using one he knows well, but some characters are made with different levels of complexity in mind. It takes more skill to use Marth effectively than Pikachu, so if both players are pros with their respective characters then the Marth player will probably win because Marth rewards skillful playing while Pikachu doesn't. If both players are completely new to the game, the advantage disappears.

The type of game (stock, timed, 1-on-1, 2-on-2, FFA) also throws the ranking off. In a timed game it's easier to stall for the win with a projectile user than with a brawler, while in a stock game it's good to have a tight melee game. Depending on how many people you are fighting and how well your characters synergise in team matches, the rankings change as well.

The point is, while the tier system is nice to get an idea of how the characters typically fare under ideal conditions, it starts to fall apart in actual gameplay.

[JYAP]

Items aren't used in serious matches,and the stage is usually Final Destination,and you failed to listen to me when I said 2 players of equal level. And the game is usually stock.

Next Topic:Worst Video Game Ever Regardless of Personal Experience.

I vote Superman 64. Reviews say it sucks alot. ALOT.

[Felonious Monk]

I can beat that: E.T for the Atari. It was so bad that they had to bury tons of them in the desert just to get rid of them (the idiots made more copies of the game than there were Atari systems). I had a copy back in the day and I can tell you that it is not only the hardest game I've ever played, but the most pointless and annoying too. And the graphics sucked, even for an Atari. Thank God I had Yar's Revenge to fall back on.

[JYAP]

There's always that,but Superman disgraced the good name of Superman. The dishonor pwns some freakish alien's sucky game.

[Halfwingseen]

Worst game = intellgent cube for PS1 u run aeround trying to not be squashed by rolling cubes on this cube based boad thingy that is 3 cubes wide and 30 cubes long and a whole wave of cubes ( 3X2) comes at you at once and u have to avoid it ( but you cant ) this is the worst game about ET its easy for me lol and um about superman its fun if you get used to it ^_^

[JYAP]

Halfwing must be shot. Twice.

[Felonious Monk]

about ET its easy for me lol

It's a lot harder when you're 5 years old, believe me.



Halfwing must be shot. Twice.

Bang bang.

[Halfwingseen]

well arnt you picky
^_^

[JYAP]

I also nominate Surfing H3O or something along those lines for the PS2 as Worst. Game. Ever. If you could master the controls, you are God or a distant relative of Him. The idiots behind it need 3 shotgun shells in their heads.

[Halfwingseen]

*shoots jyap* GO TO THE CARD TOPIC YU FAT LAZY PERSON

[Felonious Monk]

Anything for SegaCD (except Silpheed and Soul Star; Soul Star being one of my all-time favorite games). If your game has Corey Haim or that girl from Diff'rent Strokes in it, do yourself a favor an get rid of it. Burn it if you have to. Live-action video games are the wave of the future!

EDIT: Dana Plato! That was her name!

[JYAP]

Ever notice how this morphed from me going to school to girls to physics to all sorts of randomness?

Next Topic:Worse Noob You Have Ever Seen.

Drow Dumbass of Eternal War. Nuff said.

[Protoss119]

Hear hear.

Worst Game Evah = Never really encountered a game I didn't like...oh wait. Yes I did; that would be Black & White. The damn liars say you get to be a "god" but in the end, it's the creature that gets all the powers, reducing you to some sort of omniscent pet owner. Did I mention the choosable creatures are cute? Cute creatures stealing all your godlike powers! It's an outrage!

~sees that the post has long since been abandoned~

...Oh, BTW, I PWN with Samus.

~everyone's half-broken bodies come crawling back (broken from arguing)~

[JYAP]

Get yer fake necromancer zerg ass offa my topic!
(undead hillbilly tries to shoot Toss with shotgun)

[Protoss119]

Oh fugglenugget! ~feels the wrath of shotgun shells to the chest~

~spikes Hillbilly~

(Note: No offense with the half-broken body part)

[JYAP]

(calls undead lurkers)

[Protoss119]

Damn you!

~converts undead Lurkers to the light and they pass over to heaven~

[Felonious Monk]

Never played B&W and I'm pretty sure that by this point I never will. I'm sure I missed out on a marvel of a PC game.

[Protoss119]

Ha! Yeah right! You're actually saving your own life.

[Felonious Monk]

Let me rephrase that:

"I'm sure I missed out on a marvel of a PC game."[/sarcasm]

[Protoss119]

Oh, right. ^_^