Hold Person - No Coup de Grace?

[Protoss119]

When you cast Hold Person on an enemy, they're considered helpless. Shouldn't you be able to Coup de Grace the held person? Sleep considers the enemy helpless as well, and you can Coup de Grace with that, so shouldn't you be able to do so against a held person as well? Then again, with the already excessive use of Hold Person today, allowing Coup de Grace to be comboed with it would deem it unbalancing.

In case you don't remember what Coup de Grace is, when you attack a helpless - sleeping, held, or overall immoble - person, you can perform an action called Coup de Grace. With it, you can score an automatic hit and, according to D&D rules, the victim must make a Fortitude Save (DC 15 + Damage done) or die. It provokes an AOO because it focuses on a specific part of the victim's body.

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[Almuric]

I think that it would be unbalancing. You're probably right that it makes sense to work when you're held though.

[Felonious Monk]

CdG only works on creatures of less than 5 HD.

[JYAP]

I never cared anyways.

[Protoss119]

Neither did I for a while, but it's interesting to consider.

[Almuric]

CdG only works on creatures of less than 5 HD.

Well, knowing that makes all the difference. Let Hold Person have it!

[JYAP]

ROFL
:D

[Almuric]

Has anyone tested to see if it actually already does? I mean no one on EB is going to be less then 5HD.

[Protoss119]

It's something to look into, I'm sure.

~looks evilly at BotD L4-5 players~

[Almuric]

Maybe I'll do a server wipe and lower the start level to 3! :devil:

[JYAP]

Only if I'm a DM. Since that isn't likely...

[Halfwingseen]

Al do a server wipse and start at lvl 1 make those mages work for it man

[Protoss119]

What have I done?

[JYAP]

I don't know. What have you done?

[Halfwingseen]

al that wa a joke and um hold person issnt coup de grace for one reason



coup de grace is a strike on an unaware opponant and if u are held u are merely paralyzed therefore still have mental and sensoral function therefore can mental prepare for the attack and are not unaware just so ya know ^_^

[Almuric]

I would never do a server wipe unless I actually did something to the mod worthwhile.

[Felonious Monk]

al that wa a joke and um hold person issnt coup de grace for one reason



coup de grace is a strike on an unaware opponant and if u are held u are merely paralyzed therefore still have mental and sensoral function therefore can mental prepare for the attack and are not unaware just so ya know ^_^

Ummm... no. A CdG is when you go up to that guy that's chained up on the ground and chop his head off. It doesn't matter if he sees you or not since he can't do anything about it. Same thing with Hold Person: can't move, can't defend yourself, end up in itty bitty pieces.

Mind you, in PnP you can make a CdG against anything that is considered "helpless" (paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy), but it is handled differently. The attacker takes a full round action to deal a blow that automatically hits and criticals. If the person being CdG'ed survives, they have to make a fortitude save (DC = 10 + dmg dealt) or die. Sneak and death attack damage counts, making rogues very effective at this kind of thing. Ceatures that cannot be criticaled can not be CdG'ed and attempting a CdG prevokes an AoO.

[Halfwingseen]

al that wa a joke and um hold person issnt coup de grace for one reason



coup de grace is a strike on an unaware opponant and if u are held u are merely paralyzed therefore still have mental and sensoral function therefore can mental prepare for the attack and are not unaware just so ya know ^_^

Ummm... no. A CdG is when you go up to that guy that's chained up on the ground and chop his head off. It doesn't matter if he sees you or not since he can't do anything about it. Same thing with Hold Person: can't move, can't defend yourself, end up in itty bitty pieces.


*cough* nerd *cough* but i take ur word for it

Mind you, in PnP you can make a CdG against anything that is considered "helpless" (paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy), but it is handled differently. The attacker takes a full round action to deal a blow that automatically hits and criticals. If the person being CdG'ed survives, they have to make a fortitude save (DC = 10 + dmg dealt) or die. Sneak and death attack damage counts, making rogues very effective at this kind of thing. Ceatures that cannot be criticaled can not be CdG'ed and attempting a CdG prevokes an AoO.

[Felonious Monk]

al that wa a joke and um hold person issnt coup de grace for one reason



coup de grace is a strike on an unaware opponant and if u are held u are merely paralyzed therefore still have mental and sensoral function therefore can mental prepare for the attack and are not unaware just so ya know ^_^

Ummm... no. A CdG is when you go up to that guy that's chained up on the ground and chop his head off. It doesn't matter if he sees you or not since he can't do anything about it. Same thing with Hold Person: can't move, can't defend yourself, end up in itty bitty pieces.


*cough* nerd *cough* but i take ur word for it

Mind you, in PnP you can make a CdG against anything that is considered "helpless" (paralyzed, held, bound, sleeping, unconscious, or otherwise completely at an opponent’s mercy), but it is handled differently. The attacker takes a full round action to deal a blow that automatically hits and criticals. If the person being CdG'ed survives, they have to make a fortitude save (DC = 10 + dmg dealt) or die. Sneak and death attack damage counts, making rogues very effective at this kind of thing. Ceatures that cannot be criticaled can not be CdG'ed and attempting a CdG prevokes an AoO.


Maybe so, but at least I can quote correctly. ;)

[JYAP]

(Coup de Graces everyone in topic)

[Protoss119]

~matrix dodges Coup De Grace~

[Almuric]

Sounds like this one is done.